Black History of Retreat Rosenwald School - Episode 90

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What's going on? It's your boy Duann Barrino from Not Just Music Podcast. Thank you for joining us another week. Let's go.

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What's going on people? Not Just Music Podcast. Your boy Duann Barrino. Quince Mardock in the building as always.

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Sup sir. What's up? How you doing?

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Excellent. Other than how you doing, how's everything been going?

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Excellent man. Been doing this for a minute. Been doing this for a while man. Like I said last episode, it's like I'm evolving with these episodes, episode by episode.

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And like you said to me personally, it's more about the man you become, you was concerned about. So it's more about who we are as people too when these cameras off.

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So it's helping me and I'm sure I know it's helping you most definitely.

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Definitely. Most of us don't have outlets to express but this is a very good way of outlet, of express.

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Right.

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It shouldn't even just be, even with this, it shouldn't have to be a thing of a recorded situation. It should be a thing of people should have an outlet period whether it's a friend, whether it's a church, whether it's your closet, whether it's your sister's house, whether it's your momma house, whether it's your grandma house, auntie house.

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People don't have nobody to talk to.

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If you have an outlet, get you an outlet or even if you just pick up your phone and just cut the video on and just hit record and just talk to it.

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That's where I feel a lot of us lack is space of relaxation or a place of where you can be expressive.

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And that's just getting worse and worse. Even looking into black history, I noticed that was one thing that I see a lot of people did was take the time to be an outlet for somebody else.

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Be active.

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Even if it was a year.

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Yeah, even if you were stuck in a position where you were enslaved or something like that.

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I noticed that some people actually did have people that they would talk to or they would have for them just to listen, an ear to listen to.

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And you wasn't scolded for what you went through. Now it's unpopular to go through something. It ain't cool.

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You can't do that.

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You can't talk to nobody because you're already fearing judgment from them.

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And you can't ever show that sign of weakness because people always feel once you show that sign of weakness, they want up on you.

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I'm going to throw it in your face at the wrong time.

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And I think that's why that generation moved and grew.

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Because they accepted criticism too. They accepted criticism and they accepted life.

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And they molded them into strong individuals.

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And these days, like I said, you put us in those shoes, I don't think we'd last a day.

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We wouldn't last a day.

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So, you know, they most definitely could last in these days.

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These times. Like, role switch. Yeah.

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But we couldn't last a day in their shoes, man. I'm going to be honest.

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Because we complain, oh my back hurts. Oh, this hurts. Oh, you hurt my feelings.

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You know, that's one thing I've gotten so, I've found to be so unpopular, bro.

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Is that people remain stuck in their feelings. Right.

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That bothers me. It's okay to get in them, but get out of them.

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Yeah, it's okay to feel. Please feel. Have feelings and have emotions.

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But just make sure that your feelings and emotions don't detach you from a situation in a bad place.

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And that's like accountability.

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Being accountable for your part of it is always should be what you should take care of.

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Like, I was sorry, bro. I misunderstood. I'm sorry. I reacted that way.

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So that's how accountability, you know what I'm saying?

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Some people are scared of accountability because the case of, again, goes back to the word weak.

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Accountability, if you look at accountability, accountability says nothing about being weak in the definition.

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And most people think that, oh, because we, oh, I gotta, why I gotta be accountable.

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They feel like that's disrespectful to their self to say that they had to be accountable or had to dial it back in a sense.

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Listen, you had blacks back then apologize on when we didn't do nothing wrong.

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And it was just because they knew who they were and it would cause peace within themselves.

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Like they seen a bigger picture. Sometimes you got to be submitted, submissive to get to that point.

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I see what like Martin Luther King Jr. You know, he was smart. He knew what he was doing.

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Like he took he took them, you know, bricks and sticks and all that for a reason, a bigger purpose, you know.

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And eventually, you know what I'm saying? People woke up. They looked at it, you know.

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And bro, we can't say change didn't happen because clearly it ain't how it was.

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We talked about couldn't go in the restaurant, certain restaurants. We go anywhere we want now.

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I mean, they can be racist, but they can't kick us out. Right.

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They can't kick me out. Right. And we got video. We got phones.

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So please take me out unjustfully. Yeah. So it's time to change, bro. You know, for the best.

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The feelings and the emotions that come along with being great are going to be tested.

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So once the once your your mental can get over the part of being tested and it's a to me, that's passing the test.

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If you can be the situation that you normally used to let tear you down or tell your mind up

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and you starting to be the person like, you know what, man, I ain't doing it that way no more.

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That's you pass the test. Right. That's the reason why. And I feel like some people won't won't get to that point.

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And I'm not this has nothing to do with, again, speaking on being weak has to speak on being better.

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The better you are as a person and your mental meaning some of us beat ourselves up

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firstly because it's easy to get in our own feelings once once we're in them.

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I was just saying to finally let it go. We stand. You say you say that some people.

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Oh, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. And I'm really not good.

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The case in point why I'm saying that is is nothing more unstable than to be stuck.

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And when you're stuck, the stability, your stability changes and especially like even if you're at a job with your kids,

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with your spouse, with your friends, there's this position that some people feel like,

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oh, I have to serve this one position and it will be this one person and never change and never flip flop.

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If you are in a position with somebody that won't allow you to flip flop, that ain't the person or that ain't the place for you.

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Meaning that ain't your job. The job is the job don't allow you to be in your feelings because at the end of the day,

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they're supposed to listen to you. You are the one that make the job go for them.

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So they don't know any better until you you speak up on it. If a job ain't allowing you to do that, get away.

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Two, if you got a spouse and I'm speaking mainly on black people when it comes to this because us as a black community

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have gotten to a position where we look bad on jobs now because the case of the way we fly off on deep end on things.

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And we just and we quit. Once it get difficult, we quit. We don't think about the consequences.

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We don't even think about our kids when we walk off a job.

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How am I going to feed my kids? You know what I'm saying?

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And back then, they wouldn't think like that. They wouldn't even think that way. It was all about kids.

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My grandpa held jobs down. My grandma worked. They believed in that work. Even at home, they worked.

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You say whatever you want about my grandpa, but you can't say that man did not work.

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So that's what I'm saying about the older generation. Like they worked. You know what I'm saying?

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They thought it through. So what? They drunk their beer. And they did their sinful things.

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But at the end of the day, they handled business. A lot of things that we ain't doing now, handling business.

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So you can't party and handle business. You ain't like the ones back then. You know what I'm saying?

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This is why. And this is standing in the black history.

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The community that we have. And this is going to get me into my conversation.

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The educational part of things. I speak on education a lot more now.

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I'm starting to speak on education a lot more now, especially with podcasting.

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Because if it's not educating you, we're not getting to you.

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In the case of I know how we're not getting to you, just look at how the world is starting to slowly change to this ratchet situation.

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And I'm speaking ratchet not even in the case of saying due to what the black people have made ratchet to be.

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I'm speaking a ratchet mentality across the whole entire board.

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And my thing is, it's about the teachings.

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So of course I've been rolling off into the schools. Rosenwald schools.

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I'm still amazed at the schools that I pull up. And I'm thinking to myself like, you know, it's heart wrenching to see it.

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But at the same time, with it being heart wrenching, what did they look at it as in that time frame?

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They looked at it as a very big opportunity.

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And that's the part where I feel we mess up our opportunities nowadays is due to our feelings, how we feel about things.

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It's not a big deal. It's not important.

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The things that can...

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It's not going to affect me.

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Yeah. If it's not one thing, if you feel that it's not going to affect those that are around you, you got another thing coming.

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It's just like we were just speaking on with how the city councils and how you think just in your city that your voice don't matter.

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Like, it don't matter who I vote for in this city. It does matter, man.

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And that's what I'm saying. Back then, they knew that. They knew it mattered. That's why they fought so hard for it.

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But like you just said, we think it don't matter. It don't concern me. This ain't going to change nothing. That's our mindset.

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And it kills us.

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That's the ignorant mindset. And I'm sorry to say it.

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No, that's true. It's the ignorant mindset.

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And what better way...

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Older generations are doing it now, too. Not just the young ones, but it's older ones falling into that trap, too.

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The new older generation is really... And I'm going to be honest with you.

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The ones that's like my age frame and up to 60 have really messed up on a lot of stuff.

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Right.

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And I'm not saying it's every last one. It's just some.

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Because our parents were young also. So they were growing up while they had us. You know what I'm saying?

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We see now the generations that had it. You know what I'm saying?

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Those that had... Those who to me came up under...

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If you lived throughout any slavery period or any Jim Crow law situation or any segregation situation,

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if you lived in any of that stuff, your mentality is totally different now.

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And I see the difference in where it started and where it ended, right?

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So the reason why I do this, talk to y'all about, again, this black history stuff is to show y'all and give y'all ideas.

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So what I'm going to talk on this week is still in the Rosenwald schools.

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It's called the Retreat Rosenwald School.

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It was built in 1924 to serve black students in the outskirts of Westminster.

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Between 1917 and 1932, over 5,000 schools were constructed in the rural South and educate African-American children.

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I've already said that to y'all. So we're moving on ahead and getting back to the Retreat Rosenwald School is.

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Okay. They were called Rosenwald schools in honor of Julius Rosenwald, of course,

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then president of Sears and Roebuck, who provided funds to assist in their construction, just like all the rest of the Rosenwald schools.

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Retreat school was one of 10 Rosenwald schools built in Oconee County.

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And that's in South Carolina and served students until 1950 when the school closed due to low enrollment.

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Let's keep moving. I'm going to show y'all the picture of this. I'm going to show Q the picture of this, just so he can see.

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Let me see if you can turn sideways.

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You can just show me straight up.

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I don't rotate. Just because I need to see it. Make sure I see. There we go.

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That's the front.

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That remind me of my great grandma house.

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And that's the back of it.

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So for showing Q, y'all, let's see the picture as I'm talking about this now.

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The school. Hold on. I'll go back up.

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The building's simple design reflects that of many other two teacher Rosenwald schools, with exception of the Northwest and Northeast orientation.

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Most of the plans call for a strict North-South orientation, however this orientation permits the school to face the road and its position also allows more light into the school during the dark winter months.

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Meaning probably there was no lighting and power here.

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Proper light and ventilation were significant components of Rosenwald school designs.

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The school also originally included two privies 500 feet behind the school and well house which sat 75 feet in front of the school.

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The outbuildings are no longer extent and a portion in the school building allowed the upper and lower grades to be separated during school.

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But the dividing wall was removable so that a large space could be created for other uses.

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This expanded space was important as the school also served as the local community center.

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I'm going to get back to that in a second too.

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Many Rosenwald schools were partly sponsored by African-American churches and retreat school is no different.

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The school sits in own 2.55 acres donated by neighboring Pleasant Hill Baptist Church.

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Shout out to Pleasant Hill Baptist Church because I got some more info to talk about y'all as well.

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A black church established after the Civil War.

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The congregation met in one room meeting house style church during the 1870s.

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Education was important to the church which held reading classes on Sundays.

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Hear that cue?

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Education wasn't and this is 1870s church during the 1870s education was important to the church which held reading classes on Sundays following worship.

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A black school historically called the Negro School House was built next to the cemetery of Pleasant Hill Baptist Church.

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Yet it sat on property owned by a white man named M.S.H. Schnee.

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By 1909 the Oconee County School Board was making plans to relocate the school.

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And he knew this right?

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Yep to black owned land Pleasant Hill Baptist Church donated the land adjacent to it.

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Sanctuary and by 1924 retreat Rosenwald school named for the nearby rural community then known as Bachelors Retreat was completed and in use.

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Evening classes as well as day classes were held at the school.

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One more little piece I'm going to be doing with this.

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The school that began with 99 students saw its enrollment diminish significantly by the 1930s and 1940s.

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By 1950 the school closed.

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Oh this was on a white man's property right?

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This was on a white man's property.

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That the school bought. I mean that the church bought from.

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And he was still living there?

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No he wasn't.

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Oh he wasn't?

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Yeah he wasn't.

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But he still owned it though?

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No he didn't own it.

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He didn't own it?

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No.

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They bought it from him.

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They bought it from him.

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They bought it from a white.

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You know what I'm saying?

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And he sold it to them?

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I mean I just wanted to.

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Yeah we about to come back to that.

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I just wanted to put that in there.

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We got a few minutes talking about that.

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But by 1950 the school closed and its students were sent to Westminster.

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Colored school in downtown Westminster.

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Members of Pleasant Hill Baptist Church then bought the school from its trustees and have used the building for a variety of purposes.

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Including as a house of worship in the 1960's while a new church building was being constructed.

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Now.

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This school was probably one of the most pinnacle ones to me because I was looking at one thing that stood out to me about this school.

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Firstly a church chose to take a big piece into making this a school.

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Now you think about it right?

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Right.

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We talking about black churches bro.

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Black churches in that time who had enough money to help and chip in along with Rosenwald funds and all of the stuff like that.

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And the school system to put this school together for these black kids.

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But what I liked about it beforehand was that Pleasant Hill Church was taking the time to educate black children.

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Meaning they got all the education.

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Teaching them how to read.

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Fundamentals, life, lessons.

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You throw in preaching, life lessons with the fundamentals, math, reading.

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Think about it.

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Bro we need to bring that up to the churches.

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See if they bring up putting them fundamentals into theirs.

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Churches don't want to change though.

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They stick to the script.

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This is why churches are failing.

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This is one thing I said earlier today.

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I said that the black church is on its way going downhill.

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Because the reason being what the black church used to mean and what it used to be is no longer.

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We've had so many different aspects of a black church come in.

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Meaning it's almost like a club.

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Can I say something?

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We come to church to get the word, to get help, to get the teaching.

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We don't pose to come to church to teach.

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We come in the church to see what y'all can give us.

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What the Lord has sent on you to give us.

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Now it seems like we going to church having to work.

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When some people just coming for encouragement or a lesson, or a life lesson, or a teaching or whatnot.

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So that it don't become fun no more.

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You want people to get involved that's broken, that needs uplifting.

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How do you want somebody to jump in and do something when they don't even know how to return to or what to go to?

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Because they have no teachings in their background.

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They probably didn't have this.

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So that's what we rely on the church to do.

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It's filling those blank spots that our parents, our adults, whatever life didn't give us and y'all can help.

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Like you say, if it don't give that, what's the purpose of having a church?

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What's the purpose of having a church?

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These are the parts where I feel that we fail to say that we're implementing more than just saying,

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okay, come and give your money into the storehouse.

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We're doing more than just saying, we're doing more than that.

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We're doing more than just sitting there just pointing out the wrong.

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We never come to a point in the black church that we're going to actually show the right road.

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Meaning, what things are y'all doing to help people?

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Are y'all doing anything other than just on Sunday and Wednesday?

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What are you doing?

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It's all these days in a week.

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So we're going to only come to the church on Wednesdays and Sundays.

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What about all the other days of the week?

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We can help kids.

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We could be a big inspiration to people that need help.

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I mean, it's so many aspects.

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Malcolm X was more of a preacher than most of these preachers.

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He was out on the corner talking his wisdom, knowledge and understanding, passing out things all through the week.

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You know what I'm saying?

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He was putting in the hours, the time.

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That's what I'm saying.

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It wasn't just getting on Sunday in your suit or whatever you're dressed.

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This is the part where I like about saying, you look at Malcolm X.

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Malcolm X wasn't a Christian.

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He was a Muslim.

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And this is what I like about the Muslim community.

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The Muslim community takes time to connect the Christian church.

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Let me be a little more detailed.

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The Baptist church, the Amazigh churches, the Kojic churches, the CME churches.

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These churches have taken on a situation where they've fallen off from what their ancestors showed them.

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They switched to a whole different aspect and enrolled into this thing of saying it was money.

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Muslim teachings are starting to seem more realistic in understanding the Christian beliefs.

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Which is why people went to the Muslim.

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Me personally.

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Started switching to the Muslim faith.

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Studying it.

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They switched to the Muslim faith because it seems like too many guidelines to be a Christian.

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We always say we point out all these bad things.

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How do you point people into the right direction to what's good?

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Giving them something that's good.

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As a church whole, what are y'all doing as a church body to bring people in?

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To keep people connected?

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To have things going on coming to me consistently?

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Not just music podcasts got more stuff going on than most churches do nowadays.

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We do.

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We're putting out more content, more believable things to make it make sense.

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But a church, y'all got the church.

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They just got the title.

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They just got the bigger title.

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You got a church every single day of the week and you're not utilizing the church to do what it's supposed to be there for.

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Proof is in the pudding though.

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It's definitely going to keep showing.

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It's exposing itself each day.

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And it doesn't have to be a thing of that most people get offended by this because again that's the new thing that Christians do too.

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They get offended.

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But again I'm speaking to the black masses as a community.

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Look at this Rosenwald school.

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It was built based around a church that really wanted to help the black community, especially the black children, to learn.

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Which we didn't have those things in those days.

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People used to, as you see, people were going to churches to go learn the little normalities of understanding how to read and write.

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And maybe even do math and stuff like that because we didn't have any schools to do so.

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So anything else you want to say?

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I said a lot.

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I'm trying to get us more acclimated to these short hand but pinnacle topics that we bring to Nygid Music.

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I'm trying to fine tune it and not talk about so much in one episode and break these episodes up into more because there's a lot to talk about.

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To plan and execute.

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To make all of this make sense.

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Just to keep short hand so y'all can digest it and play this back when you're done.

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Once this goes off, because it's premiering right now, once it ends, it's going to end as soon as you see it done.

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Just hit that little circle button and replay it again so you can kind of stop and play or back up through it how you want to and just look at it that way.

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We want to keep these coming like hit after hit.

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Like 2Pac, All Eyes on Me, Double Dish.

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You ain't got to skip.

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Just hit after hit.

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We want to try to keep filming and to stay locked in with hit after hit as if we're trying to make it make sense.

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There are different aspects of Rosenwald Schools again and I'm going to continue going down the list.

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I've been on it and determined to go see these places.

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I've seen one.

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Got some video content there and I'm definitely trying to go to this one as well.

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It's another South Carolina school and it's reachable.

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We can get to it and look at it if nothing else.

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I ain't trying to go be a wanderer just going to look at it just for the heck of it. I'm going to look at it for its sake of history.

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Us black history, our black history, none of us go look at it.

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We just talk about it but we don't ever go look at it.

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The hotel where Martin Luther King got shot, they got that still, they got that landmarked I think.

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It's a lot of history.

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We just don't talk about it.

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It's a lot of history bro.

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We don't go bring it up.

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We don't take field trips to it.

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We don't do any of that.

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We encourage all of that.

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Again, we're not just music podcasts.

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Again, subscribe to everything that we got going on.

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Pick your pick.

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Go for it.

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We got plenty of content.

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You cannot get finished in one day.

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You can't get finished in one week.

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You can't even probably get finished in a month.

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At the end of the day, we appreciate y'all rolling.

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I'm Duann Bereno, Quincy Murdock in the building as always.

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And we are out.

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What's happening?

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What's happening?

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It's your boy Quincy Murdock, courtesy of Not Just Music Podcast.

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We want to greatly, greatly, greatly thank you for tuning in to another episode.

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Y'all be blessed.

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Love.